I've been discussing this with a few friends, you may recall the jacket controversy, explained here, from what we have pieced together there are a few odd bits like this in most episodes, plus clocks changing from PM to AM, but the date remaining the same, its all pretty complicated, and needs looking into further. The finale will be a blockbuster thats for sure. To quote Paul my head hurts.
I thoroughly recommend re-watching all episodes so far, and look for scenes with the Doctor that may feature the eleventh doctor visiting from the future, rather than the Doctor of that time. Plus pay special attention to clocks and things in the background, time seems really messed up.
Sorry I can't tell more then this, but its all looking pretty deep from here, RTD was a lightweight, thats for sure!
EDIT: We hear the TARDIS disappear in the Eleventh Hour, but don't see it, and there is the fairy tale stuff too, why do I keep thinking of Little Red Riding Hood?
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I agree. And I will be watching these in sequence and noting things. One of my followers suggested this:
"I've been wondering whether the whole 'time can be unwritten / rewritten' thing might be Moffat's way of either making this Doctor not really exist when he comes to the end of his time, or even unwriting all of the 'new' Doctors (9,10 and 11) thereby re-setting the number of Doctors back to being the 9th Doctor - which gives plenty of Doctors to see Moffat up to retirement and leaving the issue to be sorted out again by whoever takes over from him!"
I'm not saying I agree with ALL of that but some of it seems plausible.
And I replied with something like it being an explanation to the whole "fairy tale" theme.
But honestly, it's just so brilliant and deep and I really have nothing more than that atm. :/ I can't wait to see what happens.
These are pretty clearly run-of-the-mill continuity errors. Big-budget movies with a lot more eyes vetting the product have oodles of trivial little mistakes like this; they're to be expected. It would be weird if there weren't any. After the Doctor lost his jacket, I explicitly thought, oh man, I bet there's gonna be at least one continuity error because of that. And there was.
I don't know why Moffat has a reputation as someone who is so detail-oriented that anything that could reasonably be a mistake should be considered intentional. Moffat's a great writer and all, but there's no evidence that he's especially good at checking for prop consistency and such. Actually, there's evidence against it: he admitted the Rory badge was a mistake. And it's probably not his job to check up on all this stuff anyway; he constantly talks about how much work is involved in his new role... He surely outsources things like this to others in his crew. In fact, I think Moffat's style of writing kinda shows that he doesn't especially care about every single tiny little detail. He's more concerned with presenting a good story. Why were the winders Half-human? Why didn't the Doctor try to trick the angels into looking at one another again? These aren't going to be explained: they're just things that were glossed over to make for some creepy episodes.
It's not impossible that these are little clues that will eventually be explained. It's just that it's highly more likely than not that they're little mistakes. If you think that Moffat is better than RTD because you think he will explain everything that occurs in every episode, I'm afraid you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment when we never learn why the Doctor's coat magically reappeared or why the sticker on the TARDIS is different. This is not the reason that Moffat is better than RTD.
Well there's allows Amy's warning to herself in The Beast Below.
Continuity errors are obviously made yes but I do think there's something in the jacket being back on him. Like this is the Doctor from further on in the timeline coming back to tell Amy to "remember" and start trusting him. Also when he places his hands on Amy's he appears to be wearing a different watch than the gold one he has in the rest of the episode. However it could just be a shadow cast on it. And when he looks to his left, for me, it seems more like checking no-one, including himself sees him rather than checking on Octavian and River. But I will read into it what I'd prefer to be the case. I just feel this scene will be a call back.
And I imagine the fairytale aspect must come into it, the number of times it's been mentioned like Amelia Pond being like a name from a fairy tale and the Pandorica being a fairytale coupled with the show being described that way by cast and crew in interviews. I know partly its been said because they say Doctor Who isn't strict sci-fi it's more everything and I agree, but also I think fairytale has been a theme this series.
Anybody notice how at the end of Eleventh Hour, there's an oscilloscope-type thing in the Tardis that's reading a line just like the crack, which the Doctor pointedly turns off just as Amy is grilling him about why he's chosen her? Seems like he know then that she's linked to the crack. Maybe. Guess we'll see.
In Victory of the Daleks -- that woman who loses her fighter pilot boyfriend -- there's something odd about that. She seems to lose him twice...though maybe I have to watch it more closely. And when the Tardis arrives, we see it materialize -- in front of a wall with no crack. Yet when it dematerializes, the crack is now there. Same with the crack in The Beast Below -- they seem to bring the cracks with them.
I'm sorry, but having lots of different story arcs does not make Moffat a better or deeper writer than RTD, or in your words RTD a lightweight. One of the things I am noticing this series is that the concetration is too much on the arc that the stories therefore are not as self-contained as they can be. While with RTD, even if the story arcs were not anything too special, they never took over the standalone stories. However, stories like Turn Left prove that RTD can make a story seem like it was planned two years back. So he doesn't need to go all "Lost" on us to show how clever of a writer he was. As for deep, sorry having lots of arcs does not make something deep. You want deep? Watch Midnight.
"continuity errors"? what a bunch of spoil sports. anyone that doesn't think Moffat hides things in episodes that become mind blowing by the finale have never watched Jekyll.
The Jacket thing, upon rewatching, is obvious and blatant. and its not just his clothes, his persona, his actions, the way its shot... there's something to it beyond a simple mistake.
@ quine -- very well put! But as you can see here you're wasting your time. These are folks who want Doctor Who to be a unified, completely rational universe they can escape into, not the assembly line entertainment product it is.
I've seen Jekyll and I don't know what hidden things you're talking about. Care to explain?
I don't think that Doctor Who is just a run-of-the-mill product either. I think that there's a good chance this season will have a stellar payoff. Some hints have obviously been planted... the duck pond line pretty clearly foreshadowed something, as there was no way that could have been mistakingly written into the script. But I really doubt the Doctor's reappearing jacket will play into it. Not only is it too easily explained as a mistake, it's also a really boring sort of hint. Crazy theories are lots of fun (I really liked the now-improbable theory that Amy wasn't from Earth, but from Mondas), but theories that depend on slight incongruities between scene-to-scene cuts are too literal, unimaginative, and unlikely.
The fairytale aspect will almost certainly come into it. As to the theories that the Doctor really did come back for young Amelia... at first I thought this was taking a stylistic choice (having young Amelia look up while hearing the TARDIS and then cutting to old Amy waking up) too much at face value, but now I think there might be something to it. Amy remembers that the duck pond is called a duck pond even though the ducks have been retconned out of existence by the crack. Only time travelers retain memories of deleted things. This suggests that Amy had already time traveled by the time that she fights Prisoner Zero with the Doctor. I'm willing to accept that the duck pond's name might have stuck around for everyone, though, and Amy hadn't been in the TARDIS before.
Incidentally, something that did stick out for me as something that was obviously unexplained in the last episode: after the angels grabbed the Doctor's jacket, they stopped moving. He even asked aloud why he wasn't dead yet... and he didn't get an answer. I assume that something was watching the angels through the crack. (Possibly the Doctor himself). As the angels' sudden petrification was commented on and left unexplained by the script itself, I take it that this is much more like the duck pond line than the reappearing jacket or the TARDIS sticker... it can't be easily explained away as a mistake and we'll likely discover later on what happened.
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