'How series 5 would have looked if Tennant didn't leave...' - it looks so much better. :D
He is SO not in Karen's league, or in Matt's league, or in the Moff's league. Series 5 SO outclassed all of the previous NuWho.
. . . I'd beg to differ, but I'm too tired to argue about the ways in which Series 5 came up short. But I think that Tennant was getting on a bit in "Doctor Who"; unlike the Baker years, the sheer weight of all these plots have made a few series much longer than any other show. So Tennant is better off gone, though I completely loved his Doctor, and Matt Smith is a very good replacement.
@GORdon I've seen you at this before. Why must everything turn into fandom wank? It's becoming far too ridiculous to be believable. Give a little respect to others opinions without undermining them. Karen and DT look like they were having a good time (What are you doing in my box?!), and didn't he know her before Matt Smith? Fires of Pompeii? I remember him mentioning Karen as the new companion during the Water of Mars publicity. ; ) Shame someone didn't snap a pic of DT, Moffat and Karen together. . . we could have had the ultimate Scots!Who.
Ha ha, that's true. It would've been a Scots cast and crew with filming and production in Wales. So much for "Doctor Who" being English.Cosmiccoz, should we really expect people to not be biased? It'd be nice, but probably impossible. Although GORdon undermines people's opinions, he does so with clever zeal. I respect people who firmly believe something, as long as they have the evidence or argument to back it up. (Take that, Fox News!) And if there's something I've learned about GORdon, it's that he is pretty good at arguing.
Gordon, I don't know you like the others so perhaps you are speaking about them personally and not as the characters they play? Perhaps you are correct that David Tennant is not in Karen Gillian's league in real life, I don't know, but as far as the 10th Doctor and Amy is concerned the opposite is true. Actually, Amy is not in the same league as Martha or Donna and not even Rose as she was whiney but also sweet at times too. At least those companions did something, what does Amy do? Not very much.
Thanks 10th, I appreciate it.Maybe I'll get over it one day, but still whenever I am reminded of the RTD/Tennant years, either with a pic like this, or by comments like Lucille7777's, it brings the trauma back.And it was traumatic for me, to see Doctor Who made into such a travesty during that period.
@ LucilleUh, well, the thing is, GORdon wasn't talking about "leagues" as in levels of attractiveness.@ GORdonI enjoyed Davies' era, but like any fan, I hope to enjoy Moffat's even more. I think, unfortunately, that Series 5 was a bit of a clunky start, but it was far more successful than Eccleston's year or David Tennant's first; nevertheless, I really hated "The Big Bang" . . .
@10thPlant,I disagree with your estimation of what Gordon "meant" by stating that Tennant was not in Karen or Moffat’s league. He could hardly be referring to their looks as you suggested because clearly Tennant has that over Moffat. However I agree with you about series 5 overall, I didn't like it either, and going backwards regarding the Tennant specials only the first one with the Cyberman was entertaining and the rest were horrible; they were a terrible, period, and did not show Tennant at his best. @GORdon,Back to Karen, don't get me wrong, I think she is a very classy lady from what I've read about her and frankly from what I've read about Tennant he‘s a nice guy, but lets just say he doesn't usually go for the classy type (could he be intimidated by classy women? Probably). Anyway Karen is classy, but the expression on her face in this picture with Tennant summarizes all her acting ability seen on DW thus far, for example, Amy always has that unblinking expression in her eyes (its like she used botox from her nose up); and if she’s sad her mouth turns down in sadness, if she’s happy she smiles, if she’s inquisitive she may smile but from the nose up it never changes, she has no expression in her eyes or her face in general whatsoever, meanwhile Matt Smith as the Doctor is rambling on and on like a wind-up toy, both of them looking artificial with no heat coming from either one of them. I didn’t always like Tennant’s screaming fits either (and Matt's Doc has had a few already), but they’ve gone to the opposite extreme with Amy and the 11th Doctor however, I read that Matt is going to bring some real emotion to the Doctor in series 6, lets hope so.
"Perhaps you are correct that David Tennant is not in Karen Gillian's league in real life, I don't know, but as far as the 10th Doctor and Amy is concerned the opposite is true."That sounds a lot like you're trying to be a matchmaker. I'm pretty sure Moffat is trying to steer AWAY from getting "heat" between the Doc and Amy, who is, after all, married! I think he's just trying to generate the sort of attraction that we get between Jack and Gwen.
Lucille7777 -- when did you start liking Doctor Who?I started watching it back in the classic days, and there was no "emotion" on the part of the Doctor and no "heat" coming from the Doctor/companion relationship.The Doctor is a static character, a mysterious traveler who is the catalyst for adventures. Doctor Who is a *childlike* programme -- it is NOT *childish* but it is a delightful alternative to all that crap psychodrama that is emblematic of American television. It sees things, delightfully, as children see them - -that includes regarding life as an adventure and does NOT include seeing relationships in a sexual way. Also, children do not hold on to trauma, they experience it and let it go. Danger over? Happy. Friend gone? Sad for a little bit, then over it. Kind of like how the Doctor was when Sarah and he parted ways, and NOT with all that soppy emo crap that RTD wrote when Sarah (sniff!) came back a few years ago.That is how the classic series of Who was -- childlike -- and RTD got it completely WRONG. Gritty and Emo does NOT belong to Doctor Who. The Moff has it MUCH more correct -- fairytale, indeed. 10th, I agree with you about The Big Bang; Moffat sucks when he lazily relies on his "timey wimey" schtick. But I vehemently disagree about series 5 -- for me, it was loads better than anything RTD did, and that is because it returned Doctor Who **to its roots** as a childlike programme.
And Lucille7777, as for Karen, idk, to each their own? Part and parcel of what I just posted, I loathed the loud and brassy sheen that RTD put over everything -- everything telegraphed in the most brassy, lowbrow manner. Along with being childlike classic DW, at its best, always struck me as having that delightfully understated, subtle quality that I associate with British television. Along comes RTD and you get that, as they made a joke about it in series 2, that *chav* Rose. All big horse mouth and *loud* mouth, with that accent that sounds like she has a bunch of food in her mouth. They were *all* loud and brassy -- Martha and her big hair all sticking up and leather jacket, and Donna just plain loud and whinging all the time. And really, Tennant was the BIG furrowed brow and LOUD yelling and just big and brassy and boringly unsubtle -- with, again, that ridiculously put-on accent. With the Moffat era, DW has been returned to its charming, even genteel roots. The Amy character may emote, which is what she is supposed to do -- get scared, scream, etc -- but it's all done with much more gentility. Both the leads are much more subtle and understated. Tennat was the Doctor as **caricature** -- Smith plays him with his own natural offbeat charm, as Tom Baker did. I think that the RTD-era Who is for people who, with the classic series, must have been filling in all that psychodrama emo crap in their minds, and were so happy to have that rubbish superimposed on the programme and telegraphed to them, with RTD. IMSOHO. And then also having companions and a Doctor that are so coarse and unsubtle -- all as part of that Americanized, oooooh "gritty" quality. Blech! Rubbish! Doctor Who is finally back!!I hope that Matt Smith does NOT bring some "real emotion" to Doctor Who this year! That would be rubbish and NOT in keeping with the spirit of the show!
sorry I meant IMNSHO!
To 10thPlanet,No I was responding to Gordon’s comment about Tennant not being in Karen’s or Moffat’s and someone else’s league and you thought Gordon was talking about their looks instead of their acting and I thought he was referring their acting ability or lack there of, but I went further and suggested that perhaps Gordon was referring to them personally, which I commented that perhaps Gordon was right that she’s too classy for him personally, but of course, I wouldn’t know, just guessing, right? Right. Also I agree that Amy is married and she and she and the Doctor are just friends.
@GORdon,I started watching Doctor Who regularly with series 1 with Chris E and Billie Piper. I saw some of it when I was a child. It was shown on PBS here in the states, although I don’t know how long it took to get here, nevertheless, I remember Ramona I was the Doc’s companion. Of course Amy is married to Rory and I don’t expect “heat” in the romantic sense between her and the Doctor rather I was referring to more depth really from any or all of the characters as series 5 was like watching a cartoon but I thought the show was for the entire family, children and adults alike. However, if this is the way Moffat’s going to run it then there is nothing in it for me, so I’ll have to be patient and wait for the next show runner to take over and perhaps he will instill an even mix of RTD and Moffat’s styles to suit me. Although I did like the Weeping Angels episode that was terrific, and the Venice episode was entertaining, but the big bang stuff I fell asleep on and I really don’t know what when on other than what you guys talk about here on this website. It is just too boring to attempt to watch again.
@Gordon wrote, “Part and parcel of what I just posted, I loathed the loud and brassy sheen that RTD put over everything -- everything telegraphed in the most brassy, lowbrow manner. Along with being childlike classic DW, at its best, always struck me as having that delightfully understated, subtle quality that I associate with British television.” I don’t know I liked the brassy, lowbrow manner of some of RTD’s episodes. RTD did show people who, including the Doctor, were in need emotionally or just looking for as Rose put it, “a better life.“ It was gritty but I liked it. Well thanks for excluding Martha from the big mouth category of Rose and Donna you put the latter two in, and you didn’t like Martha’s hair when it was sticking up atop of her head? Well I didn’t like that hair style either. Yet, Martha was the class of the bunch, but it would have been better if the RTD didn’t believe that unrequited love somehow equaled abuse. Just because was the Doc was pining for someone else, but lured Martha to him anyway, didn’t mean he had to be rude and cruel to her or that she should just take it. That’s what ruin series 3 for me, not that the Doctor missed Rose but that he abused Martha and she didn’t fight back.I have to disagree with you somewhat about Tennant being as you wrote, “the BIG furrowed brow and LOUD yelling and just big and brassy and boringly unsubtle -- with, again, that ridiculously put-on accent.”Aside for some unnecessary yelling, and abusing Martha, David was still a great Doctor, better than Matt Smith, there is no comparison. At least I didn’t fall asleep when David was on as I seem constantly to do with Matt. Gordon wrote, "With the Moffat era, DW has been returned to its charming, even genteel roots. The Amy character may emote, which is what she is supposed to do -- get scared, scream, etc -- but it's all done with much more gentility. Etc.” O.K. Gordon, I’ll give you that one. Gordon (this is where you start to rant, (I hope I haven't driven you over the edge), you wrote: “emo crap” (whatever that means), and then also having companions and a Doctor that are so coarse and unsubtle -- all as part of that Americanized, oooooh "gritty" quality. Blech! Rubbish! Doctor Who is finally back!!” Gordon, even though I’m sure you didn’t mean it as such, as an American, I’ll take those last remarks as a compliment.
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